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Hijiinx
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09/11/2018 8:55 am  

I'd like to request a PK-free farming area, so that newer players would have the opportunity to farm/gear up in peace before they have to worry about being killed because they have a few blood shards in their inventory. I see new people joining server regularly, which is fantastic. However, they are immediately discouraged from staying because they get farmed by fully-geared players while trying to earn their gears in Nightscream. I understand that this is a PVP server, and that dying is going to be a fact of life for most (if not all) players. But if this server is ever going to grow, then we need to give the newer people a fighting chance first. I realize that we have Heaven and Hell as farming areas, but I don't feel like they provide enough to make them worthwhile. The Ice Shards are nice, but the exchange rate is the lowest of all currencies, and there's a limited area where you can farm them.

If possible, I'd recommend either making Nightscream a PK-restricted area, or making Heaven/Hell more diverse in terms of farming. By that, I mean set it so that Heaven/Hell can provide all shards (Ice/Fire/Blood), and perhaps set all mobs to drop them. Or at the very least, more than one corner of the map. Those areas become so clogged with players that it becomes difficult to farm at times.

At the risk of sounding like an ass-kisser, I do genuinely love this server so far. I've played much larger ones, and the atmosphere here is already better in the month or so I've existed lol. I'm just worried for the future of it, if the newer players become so discouraged while farming that they don't want to stay, or bring their friends over, too. Does anyone else have possible suggestions to help make the situation better?


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dadan
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09/11/2018 12:23 pm  

Not agree : )


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09/11/2018 5:20 pm  

In my opinion, the problem would not be solved that way. As you mentioned, new players are killed by fully-geared people, which means that these geared people are not killing them for the Blood Shards. The problem is deeper than that. Let's be real here, about 90% of the frostburn experience is farming, and the only viable way to farm is afk farming, there are no viable instances, events, etc. from where you could get FBT or other things relevant for the game. After you are done farming you have to make a couple of runs of lunar and WS and then... nothing. You can go fsp but it's not really necessary. If fully-geared people had better things to do than killing afk farmers then the problem would be solved.


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09/11/2018 7:31 pm  

I fully agree with something being done for newbie players! However I strongly recommend editing an instance such as TT which requires active farming. Also giving bosses same buffs as the JFSP ones so that it's not an APS farm.

AFK farming is not supposed to bet the way of gearing up ~


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dadan
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09/11/2018 9:17 pm  

I do agree with hijiinx but if vix remove the auto cultivation .  Adding more places to farm you are trying to help more the endgame player to farm easier too. If you to gain feel the pain 1st 🙂


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09/11/2018 11:59 pm  

😨people actually using forums. Hooray. (Jokes aside)

 

Ahem.

We do agree with some of the claims brought up here. It's been brought to our attention by more then one player in the recent days. That being said, this is a PK server and this will happen regardless in most scenarios for whatever reason. but that doesn't mean we can't work around it.

  In-case anyone doesn't know. Fire & Blood Shards are meant to be only in PvP orientated maps. So Nightscream and anywhere else open world will be remaining the same, However that doesn't mean we can't add more options in "protected areas".

 Normally we don't announce what we plan to do to "fix" certain things until its definite, but since its a main demand right now from multiple sources, I'd like to shed some light to you guys so you know we're listening to your feedback. ( Please understand, this doesn't mean it will be introduced this patch as this mainly is chosen by Vix )

Normally anything suggested to us will get batched into our Staff board, and things of most importance will be put to the top of the list. Not to mention other factors such as testing, bugs, other possible issues. etc.

 

Current Solutions:

-  The Twilight Temple "revamp" idea was brought to us recently and we really like the idea of it. So we will defiantly be looking into that. 

-  Some staff idea's were to decrease the ratio required for Ice shards > FBT. In doing so, we may have to do the same to Fire Shards & Blood shards. To make them all balance out.

-  Try to add more location based farming in Heaven/Hell, and maybe propose a new rule regarding using alts in such areas since its "cramped"

- Increasing the number of FBT given from certain daily quest.

These are the current definite solutions we have at the moment, we do have some other ideas but its still being discusses. If you guys have more ideas we're all ears 🙂

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Hijiinx
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10/11/2018 5:26 am  

I understand your point about fully-geared players being bored, but I also still feel that some are doing it simply as a quicker way to farm their Blood Shards rather than just doing the work themselves. I say that because it's pretty verbatim from some people in world chat (not dragging names into this, because that's not necessary). It's difficult to argue that it's not happening when you've got folks outright saying things like, "Well, I just really needed Blood Shards for my alts :)"

I do absolutely think that creating more end-game activities for players would be a great first step in the right direction, though. I know that a GM cannot be available at all times of the day, but if that's not possible, then perhaps you could set up a way for the two Support members to run more reward-rich events. I know that Nibbles and Shadowcat wouldn't likely get full access that GMs have, but they could still perhaps take down names of winners and then relay that information to the GM team once the event is complete. This way, people would still have events with more rewards than just gold, and you wouldn't have to have the concern of future Support members stealing resources. (No shade to either of them with that, of course. But I know that people can be shady when given the chance.)

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Chartreuse
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10/11/2018 1:42 pm  

I would like to make an additional or counter-suggestion to the idea of reducing the exchange rates. Instead, why not expand the areas in Heaven and Hell, and extend the earning time while enacting an alt restriction, OR enact a PK time restriction on Nightscream? AFK farming for shards *is* the most viable way to gear up since almost everything you need to create r9-3rd is FBT based, and newer players can't do that if they don't have reasonable means to. As it is, the areas opened in Heaven and Hell are swamped with players trying to do exactly that, who don't want to be pk farmed by people in Nightscream. As others have already pointed out, new players are being chased away daily by that behavior, and it's not conducive to healthy growth or success of the server population. 

Also, more end-game content would be lovely. Maybe make a PK daily quest (not kill X number of players), or add an achievement system? I know that's a little more involved, but we already have a title system, why not throw some additional PK titles in? Create team-based instance events, or enable a rewards system for helping new players gear up, again with an alt restriction? We all want this server to grow and succeed, and making it a welcoming and simultaneously challenging place to be is going to take some effort from everyone.

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dadan
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12/11/2018 10:09 am  

Ppl trying to make this more pve than pvp. For me better add quest that give higher rewards . I can see quest reward from fb merchant is not that much. We should stop for more ppl to do auto farmi while afk. They are earning good with do noyhing than afk this not good for server. Gm should add event more event soonas possible to make pvp more active


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Hijiinx
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13/11/2018 4:41 am  

Nobody is trying to turn this into a PVE server. If we wanted a PVE server, we'd have joined a PVE server. But you can't have healthy amounts of PK on a PVP server if nobody can gear up.


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dadan
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13/11/2018 1:37 pm  

So its better if Vix add more quest with higher rewards? Not places that u can farm with do nothing  but auto culti farming whole day with and still complaining because pker kill farmer . . Hell and heaven good enough for alt to farm :'D 

VIX  BETTER INCREASE THE REWARD OF THE QUEST NOT PLACES FOR ALT TO FARM AND DO NOTHING .


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amayan2
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13/11/2018 1:42 pm  

can't log in to the server, "server network error"


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13/11/2018 3:49 pm  
Posted by: amayan2

can't log in to the server, "server network error"

We're aware of the issue. Its being looked into. Theres no need to post this on multiple sections that dont regard to the situation.  next time please make a new post under the general or bug section

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13/11/2018 11:53 pm  
Posted by: Chartreuse

I would like to make an additional or counter-suggestion to the idea of reducing the exchange rates. Instead, why not expand the areas in Heaven and Hell, and extend the earning time while enacting an alt restriction, OR enact a PK time restriction on Nightscream? AFK farming for shards *is* the most viable way to gear up since almost everything you need to create r9-3rd is FBT based, and newer players can't do that if they don't have reasonable means to. As it is, the areas opened in Heaven and Hell are swamped with players trying to do exactly that, who don't want to be pk farmed by people in Nightscream. As others have already pointed out, new players are being chased away daily by that behavior, and it's not conducive to healthy growth or success of the server population. 

Also, more end-game content would be lovely. Maybe make a PK daily quest (not kill X number of players), or add an achievement system? I know that's a little more involved, but we already have a title system, why not throw some additional PK titles in? Create team-based instance events, or enable a rewards system for helping new players gear up, again with an alt restriction? We all want this server to grow and succeed, and making it a welcoming and simultaneously challenging place to be is going to take some effort from everyone.

I think in our recent notes we'll be extending the earning time area's but only by like 1 more hr. I don't believe there is a way for Nightscream to be edited in such a way, but as stated before. Nightscream isn't meant to be a "Safezone".

We do like the PK daily quest idea, and possibly the achievement idea. but it would have to be looked into. I don't think there would be a way to add in a reward system for helping newer players, I could be wrong but it could be looked into as well. Newer instances and other methods are currently being discussed. (Faction Trials included).

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13/11/2018 11:54 pm  
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So its better if Vix add more quest with higher rewards? Not places that u can farm with do nothing  but auto culti farming whole day with and still complaining because pker kill farmer . . Hell and heaven good enough for alt to farm :'D 

VIX  BETTER INCREASE THE REWARD OF THE QUEST NOT PLACES FOR ALT TO FARM AND DO NOTHING .

From what I can tell, Vix is reintroducing some older daily quest, and boosting some daily quest that we have currently. I do agree though the Frostburn Merchant's kill quest can be boosted for other uses. We can look into that.

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