Add Primordial and Barbaric Blood to NW Rewards  

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Zanryu
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17/07/2017 1:26 pm  

 I propose adding Primordial and Barbaric Blood to the NW rewards so that we can exchange our Supply Tokens for them.  Supply Tokens and Frostburn Tokens can both be used to purchase Rapture and Uncanny Crystals, however Frostburn Tokens can also be used to purchase Primordial and Barbaric Bloods.  These bloods should be added at a 10 Tokens:1 Primodial Blood and 50 Tokens:1 Barbaric Blood.  This serves two purposes:  To help remove the time gate to get Primal Passives and skills, and to promote participation in NW.  It takes 300 Primordial and 130 Barbaric Blood to max the passives we currently have, given that players with subpar Spirit or Primals in losing nations or those with low scores will generally expect around 3-400 tokens an NW, the people that need tokens for bloods will likely only get 800-1k Tokens per week.  1k Tokens is 100 Primordial or 20 Barbaric Blood each weak.  These rates could be tweaked depending on the actual average of tokens received by the players that would generally be looking for Bloods, though based on my own experiences of getting 3-500 tokens average without having much Spirit and no Primals this seems accurate.  People with Spirit and some Primals will perform well beyond this, and would still be motivated for at least one or two NWs in order to finish off skills or passives, as well as still having incentive to do NW for the other rewards or for the PvP the event brings.

By removing the time gate on Primal passives and skills it will allow people to jump into PvP a lot sooner than they can currently, which will promote an active PvP scene in the open world.  People would still PvP otherwise, but people getting their Primals sooner rather than later will mean players can get on an equal footing to those that have been around a while more quickly.  It won't happen overnight and there will be work that has to be put in, but it will allow for a healthier PvP scene overall as people can join in sooner than they currently can after joining the server or making a new class.

By using Nation Wars as a source of bloods will likely bring in players that are indifferent to it and see no point in doing because most of the items you can can either be bought from other players or obtained in other ways.  Bloods are untradeable and can only be obtained from dailies, FBT, or in the case of Primordials from World Bosses and Abaddon.  All of the methods aside from FBT are slow and inefficient granting a small amount of Blood each.  FBT grants a large amount of Primordial Blood and a fairly decent amount of Barbaric Blood, however competition for it is heavy.  Due to this heavy competition another method of obtaining them would be very attractive to a large portion of players that are either unable to participate for whatever reason and to those that are unable to fully compete in the event.  Using Nation Wars as that new method for obtaining Blood would give everyone, even fully geared people with max spirit a new reason to participate.  People without maxxed Primals will be able to obtain bloods quicker while those that are fully maxxed can enjoy the fun of a PvP event.  Sure they can do so currently, but with new incentive to do so more people will end up participating.  It will also give reason for anyone with currently maxxed accounts to do NW on classes they want to play in the future but don't want to bring into NW due to lack of Primals.  

Primal skills and passive play a large role in PvP, without them you're as good as a fresh level 30 against people that have them.  They change the way PvP is done on most classes but they're currently locked behind a time gate.  It's not quite as bad as the original game, but a time gate is still a time gate and honestly those aren't the best thing.  Sure they'll add "longevity" to your game, but it's not real longevity if you're forcing it on your players.  Allowing us to get Bloods through NW will give a new level of value to the activity, motivate players to participate, and most importantly help us get into PvP quicker than we currently can.

 

Quick Points:

Easier to get into end game PvP because skills and passives become faster to obtain

Incentive to NW due to heavy competition for the quick way of getting Bloods and the slowness of other methods

10:1 Primordial and 50:1 Barbaric means that the players needing it get a decent amount of blood without it being too easy to obtain it

 

Thanks for your consideration.

 

-Also, the rates of Token:Blood can be changed as needed to ensure Bloods aren't too easy to obtain.

 

 

Edited: 2 months  ago

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Vix
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17/07/2017 11:10 pm  

The idea seems well reasoned, you convinced me.

The only issue I have is with the proposed ratios, as they have an implicit "floor" when taking into account the ST exchange for FBT. So I will change that but consider it done for next patch.

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St(x)rm
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18/07/2017 3:33 am  

Me me me....

Remove the FBT for changing Promodial/barbarian blood from TOKEN TAB and Add those BLOOD to NW forge?

Supply token- add option supply token to FBT (FROSTBURN TOKEN) ? ST 50pcs - 1 FBT

ANCIENT EMBLEM - ADD NW FORGE  OR REWARD FROM GUILD BASE EXAM REWARD? AND NOT TRADABLE/ACCOUNT STASH 

 


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Zanryu
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18/07/2017 12:55 pm  
Posted by: Vix

The idea seems well reasoned, you convinced me.

The only issue I have is with the proposed ratios, as they have an implicit "floor" when taking into account the ST exchange for FBT. So I will change that but consider it done for next patch.

Awesome!  I came up with the rates as I was writing so I'm okay with them being changed up.  Ideally both Nation Wars should award enough of either blood to progress roughly 1/3 or 1/4 of the passives so as to keep people coming back each week despite the availability of Primordial Bloods.  I'm sure you guys will be able to determine a fair rate.   I think it'd be good to have it take at least three weeks of NW to reach the full passives of Barbaric Blood or the full passives + 1 60 blood Primordial Blood skill, factoring in the available dailies for each.  Keeping each player busy for at least 3 weeks in NW seems like a good way to promote more PvP in it, glad to know this will be implemented either way!


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